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beccaday
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I have a challenge cache that I've been thinking about for some time now and I would really like to get it up and running soon. I am not quite sure how to assign the D/T. Meeting the requirements will involve a lot of distance and time. So would that make it a 5 difficulty? And terrain, do I choose it for the hide itself? To meet the requirements it may involve some higher terrain caches, depending on how they choose to complete it. Or should I just take what I'd do for the hide and add a star? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

D based on underlying challenge, T based on final cache.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Using the template that GC has is a starting point, then I feel you need to adjust it accordingly (to items that you believe may lower or raise it). Looking at a cache as an owner, sometimes clouds your vision. ie. Boy, no one can seem to find it or everyone is figuring it out right away... It may be frowned on by some, but raise or lower it at a latter date. It's your cache.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

For terrain, you can make it reflect the final, but make it clear in the cache description that some of the required caches will be tougher. Difficulty should probably be the overall difficulty of finding all the caches needed for the challenge, and this could also be explained in the description.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I just created a challenge cache and decided to base difficulty and terrain on the final according to the overall "average" (I didn't do an actual calculation, just did some quick mental math. I did note on the page the actual D/T of the final.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Having created several challenges I don't believe there is one true answer. All of the suggestions so far are very good. A more important factor is how difficult you actually want it to be as far as completing. All of mine are easily achievable except for the IAT Half Trail challenge which has only been completed twice since it was published in May. I rated it a 5/4. Becca, send me an e-mail if you have any questions and I'll be glad to offer my opinions.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:08 am Reply with quote Back to top

You can send the puzzle, answers and locations to me and I'll "test" it out Razz

Seriously, I would base the D/T on the final and state in your text if its any different for waypoints in between.

The couple of multi/puzzle's I've done (and archived) the final is the most challenging both D/T and the rest start out easy and work up to it.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:24 am Reply with quote Back to top

OK, I'll let the cat out of the bag. I mean, why not? The challenge I'm working on creating is similar to Mr. G's IAT Half Trail Challenge in that you'd need to do a lot of caches all over the place to meet the requirements. I'm a huge fan of the National Parks system so I'm going to create a BINGO challenge card where you need to have cached in or slightly around National Parks, monuments, trails, etc. It may not get many finders but I still want to do it because it is interesting to me. One column will be able to be met in WI alone, although I'm hoping that people will get a bingo in other ways too.

So, back to my original question. I'm thinking a D5 for this particular challenge. Then for terrain, I am going to hide it along the Ice Age Trail so probably a T3 for the hide, haven't picked out my spot yet. Or should I bump up the T level based on the fact that meeting the requirements of the challenge may bring you to higher T caches?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

Becca, That sounds like a great challenge cache and everyone has already given you lots of great things to consider while deciding how to rate it. When we were in Missouri earlier this week, I noticed a really cool challenge that is similar in nature to what you're suggesting.
http://coord.info/GC1PRHM

We have an unintentional start on it, since we seem attracted to caches that help us walk in history's path. Take a look at the way it's been rated and see if that gives you more to mull on. Looking forward to see what you've cooked up.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ooh, that looks really cool! Growing up in Colorado, I learned about the Pony Express in just about every history class I ever took. Thanks for the comparison, it's definitely helpful. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I would base the terrain for the final on the actual final hide since you don't know exactly what hides will be found to make a bingo. The final for my IAT challenge is a 4 and a 9 in the winter.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

beccaday wrote:
OK, I'll let the cat out of the bag. I mean, why not? The challenge I'm working on creating is similar to Mr. G's IAT Half Trail Challenge in that you'd need to do a lot of caches all over the place to meet the requirements. I'm a huge fan of the National Parks system so I'm going to create a BINGO challenge card where you need to have cached in or slightly around National Parks, monuments, trails, etc. It may not get many finders but I still want to do it because it is interesting to me. One column will be able to be met in WI alone, although I'm hoping that people will get a bingo in other ways too.

So, back to my original question. I'm thinking a D5 for this particular challenge. Then for terrain, I am going to hide it along the Ice Age Trail so probably a T3 for the hide, haven't picked out my spot yet. Or should I bump up the T level based on the fact that meeting the requirements of the challenge may bring you to higher T caches?


If it involves that much travel, a D5 is most appropriate. If it was not rated D5, it may be less appealing to go after, for folks who are interested in D5 challenges. Generally speaking, if a challenge is listed as a 2/2, then I have to assume it really is not much of a challenge.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

Woo hoo! Finally got around to finishing it and it was published last night. Check it out: GC3B5Z3. What do you think? Hopefully someone will be able to qualify for it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

beccaday wrote:
Woo hoo! Finally got around to finishing it and it was published last night. Check it out: GC3B5Z3. What do you think? Hopefully someone will be able to qualify for it.


Just my opinion, but too much work and travel for one cache. Had to move it to the ignore list. But that's just me. Kungfuhippie is probably loading the boys in the van right now.

If you let me use the ATB caches on the Glacial Drumlin Trail I'll go for it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:37 am Reply with quote Back to top

I love it! Looked at your line for Wisconsin cachers and I need to do some investigating, but may have a good chunk complete. In addition, you have included the "BINGO cover all" game! Now there's a fun challenge!

Thanks for the cache Beccaday!
 
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