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Buy_The_Tie
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

sandlanders wrote:
Could you please post this as a PDF file? We don't have Microsoft Office on our computer, and we have never been able to open documents like these. Thank you.


I've added the file to Zuma's original post.
 
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sandlanders
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

Buy_The_Tie wrote:
sandlanders wrote:
Could you please post this as a PDF file? We don't have Microsoft Office on our computer, and we have never been able to open documents like these. Thank you.


I've added the file to Zuma's original post.


Very helpful. Thanks!
 
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jerrys dad
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:16 am Reply with quote Back to top

This is my post from another thread that I was asked to share here:

I'm posting this here to clear my head! I don't want to start an argument! I don't want this as a official answer to the other thread.

I just read the thread about the partnership with the DNR. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Eleven dollars per cache for swag. What are you going to put in there that's family freindly for that much? Do we want people going, that's it? Why do this? I wonder if it would be better to let the volunteer choose things?

Don't get me wrong I like the idea, it just doesn't seem complete. Is there a back up plan if the DNR doesn't want to spend the money? I know it's not alot, but times are tough. Some way we could still do it with the DNR not contributing as much dollars or none at all.

I also forgot we forgot the dollars for the person in the DNR to purchase the items (researching the items, getting bids, receiving the items, sending them to us.) Somebody to make the announcement (their time and effort) The time of the coordinator at each state park and the person updating all the web pages for the DNR . ETC... All of our time is volunteer work, they have to pay for that labor! Do we have a response if they ask a question about that cost?

If you read this thanks for letting me think out loud.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

This all seems like a great idea to us. It's probably too early for "what ifs?" since this plan will undoubtedly be subject to modification as the process goes forward. Obviously, a lot of thought has already gone into this and we trust that the BOD will cross those bridges when they come to them.

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gotta run
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:34 am Reply with quote Back to top

redwingrr wrote:
The one thing I don't like has already been pointed out. - The statement that most geocaches are placed a significant distance from parking is simply untrue. It's a point that would be important to many of the folks attracted to this program. We would look bad early in anyone's investigation of the sport if they're expecting this. Truthful statements can be made about this series of caches being a given minimum distance from parking and I'd suggest sticking with that.


This is true for geocaching in general, but since this is part of the "Program Goals" section, I read this as being in the context of geocaches in the program. That thought is carried through in the sentence that follows.

Perhaps that could have been a bit more explicit, but I don't feel it's misleading because the caches being placed in the program will certainly meet this criteria, which is the point of the proposal.
 
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gotta run
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

jerrys dad wrote:
I also forgot we forgot the dollars for the person in the DNR to purchase the items (researching the items, getting bids, receiving the items, sending them to us.) Somebody to make the announcement (their time and effort) The time of the coordinator at each state park and the person updating all the web pages for the DNR .


I don't know the answer to this for sure, but since the Get Outdoors program itself is a DNR program, and the DNR is actively looking for partnerships, I would think (?) that they would have the expectation to make some resource committments on their end to make those partnerships work.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

Having uniform containers for the program is a good idea.
If the cost of the containers is a sticking point for the DNR, couldn't we find 20 people here willing to donate $30 each?
 
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Lostby7
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:48 am Reply with quote Back to top

redwingrr wrote:
Having uniform containers for the program is a good idea.
If the cost of the containers is a sticking point for the DNR, couldn't we find 20 people here willing to donate $30 each?

I'm guessing the point of this is that the DNR are PARTNERS in this program. As partners they would be expected to contribute to the success of the program.

I do like this concept very much and hope it comes to fruition.
 
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Gram and Gramps
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

We did a few of the Arkansas state park caches last Spring, but had the promo materials for the whole program. It is well laid out, the caches we found were good ones. and the park staffs knew about them and were friendly and encouraging. Some were pretty much park-n-grabs, but some were a ways out. All of the parks we visited had several additional caches placed as well, besides the official ones.

BTW, there was no requirements for park stickers or daily fees in the Arkansas state parks, at least in April 2009.

With Hartman Creek right in our backyard, and experience working with Park staff and the Friends group, I'd offer our services to set up a cache or two there. We'd even stock the cache(s) AND provide 2 pencils, at no cost to WGA or the DNR!

This is a great idea, we certainly hope that it flies. Please let us know how we can help.

cYa, Chris & Jim
 
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Gram and Gramps
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

We did a few of the Arkansas state park caches last Spring, but had the promo materials for the whole program. It is well laid out, the caches we found were good ones. and the park staffs knew about them and were friendly and encouraging. Some were pretty much park-n-grabs, but some were a ways out. All of the parks we visited had several additional caches placed as well, besides the official ones.

BTW, there was no requirements for park stickers or daily fees in the Arkansas state parks, at least in April 2009.

With Hartman Creek right in our backyard, and experience working with Park staff and the Friends group, I'd offer our services to set up a cache or two there. We'd even stock the cache(s) AND provide 2 pencils, at no cost to WGA or the DNR!

This is a great idea, we certainly hope that it flies. Please let us know how we can help.

cYa, Chris & Jim
 
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zuma
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Captain and Mate wrote:
This all seems like a great idea to us. It's probably too early for "what ifs?" since this plan will undoubtedly be subject to modification as the process goes forward. Obviously, a lot of thought has already gone into this and we trust that the BOD will cross those bridges when they come to them.


That is exactly correct. I spoke to the top management of the DNR last week, and while they are in favor of doing something like this, they have real cost constraints that impacted how the proposal was written. We talked about elements they would like included and elements they dont wont, so the proposal is built around their ideas, as well as ours.

I am sure as we move forward, their will be modifiations. I am just reporting on where we are today. None of this is etched in stone.

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zuma
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Lostby7 wrote:
redwingrr wrote:
Having uniform containers for the program is a good idea.
If the cost of the containers is a sticking point for the DNR, couldn't we find 20 people here willing to donate $30 each?

I'm guessing the point of this is that the DNR are PARTNERS in this program. As partners they would be expected to contribute to the success of the program.

I do like this concept very much and hope it comes to fruition.


Yes, this is how I looked at as well.

The folks in the DNR are well aware that the MN program was a fancy program with all the bells and whistles, underwritten by Best Buy. They explicitly dont wont to seek donations, but rather partnerships, and that is what we are offering.

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EnergySaver
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think the whole concept is cool and a great idea. One logistical thing that I don't see as addressed ...

If the WNDR buys the 75 containers, how do the distribute them to the 75 parks? Unless their is some distribution plan in place, I would think that the shipping cost (both direct and labor) would really add up. Just something to think about.

If each local person hiding the cache handled getting their own container, I would think that part would be more cost effective ... but at the risk of non-standard containers creeping in.

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zuma
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Lostby7 wrote:
redwingrr wrote:
Having uniform containers for the program is a good idea.
If the cost of the containers is a sticking point for the DNR, couldn't we find 20 people here willing to donate $30 each?

I'm guessing the point of this is that the DNR are PARTNERS in this program. As partners they would be expected to contribute to the success of the program.

I do like this concept very much and hope it comes to fruition.


Yes, this is correct. The proposal calls for an expenditure by the DNR of about $850, an amount that the WGA is proposing to match.

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zuma
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

EnergySaver wrote:
I think the whole concept is cool and a great idea. One logistical thing that I don't see as addressed ...

If the WNDR buys the 75 containers, how do the distribute them to the 75 parks? Unless their is some distribution plan in place, I would think that the shipping cost (both direct and labor) would really add up. Just something to think about.

If each local person hiding the cache handled getting their own container, I would think that part would be more cost effective ... but at the risk of non-standard containers creeping in.


Thank you for pointing out the logistics of distrubuting the caches to the volunteers. We did not spell it out in the proposal to the DNR because to them it is immaterial, but I have given it some thought, and there are a variety of cost effective ways we could do this, but nothing is set in stone on this. One strong possibility is that we would have the containers, logbooks, stickers and swag put together by the time of the campout, bring them to the campout, and distribute them to the volunteers at that location.

zuma

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