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sandlanders
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Joined: 2008-01-18
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

LCG player with to much on her mind...

If cachers go on cache rescue missions to caches they haven't found already, how do they know they actually got all the geotrash out of the woods if they don't find any sign of anything?

Should cache rescue points, other than for caches that have several DNF logs, particularly at least one by a previous finder doing a check or going with someone else, be only for those who have previously found a cache?

What if the container is a tricky hide? Is it missing or just unfound? Did you really get all the geotrash?

What about for multis? Should cache rescues for those require that ALL waypoints and the final be checked before LCG points are awarded? Any missing waypoint can be confirmed, but unless someone has done that cache, how does one know that all the geotrash is out of the woods when the WP chain is broken?

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huffinpuffin2
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Joined: 2009-07-17
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Location: Puffindoofer

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

There are instances where 'picking up the trash' is needed on caches that have few finders, none of which participate in the LCG. So you rely on those that do play to do the very best they can, with good faith. Certainly something can be missed, but at least the WGA is being active and diligent in going after the trash. IOHO, we think the LCG participants are doing a good job. (And as participants, rest assured that completing a trash pickup mission with container in-hand, proof of a successful hunt, is so rewarding that it makes it worth the extra effort to scour the area well.)

As far as Multis, yes, every WP must be checked out, and if you look into the CR mission details, you'll see that DeeJay does a great job of including all the WP coords. The same goes for Puzzle Finals.

This 'Lonely CITO' seems to be working well.
 
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Mister Greenthumb
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Joined: 2007-02-03
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

I only put a Cache Rescue on one of our caches twice as far as I can recall. One was on an archived cache that I knew Jim would get to before me and he did within 30 days. The other was for a log that needed replacing and I knew it was a cache that someone would go and find before I got to it. Even though we don't record every maintenance visit that we do we have recorded 14 so far this year and posted 94 last year. We have 2 that need maintenance right now that the snow is interfering with. We have about 350 active caches that are well maintained. We wouldn't keep hiding if we weren't going to maintain them.
 
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Todd300




Joined: 2009-06-05
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

350 caches, Mr. GT? Heck, I have just seven active caches and a couple needs attention after the snow is gone. Both of those are a short distance away from me. I might just go get them and archive them.

The rest are within a mile. I really don't have time to check on them either and am debating archiving them as well.

I just cannot imagine a CO having to maintain 350 hides. Mind boggling.
 
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neonride93
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Joined: 2009-03-13
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Location: Appleton

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree Todd - Takes someone special to keep up that many caches - I have 22 active and at any given time 2 or 3 are in need of maintenance and my usual turn around on these is several weeks Sad I have admitted I am a horrible hider and that's why I only have 22 - I am trying to get to 50 before the summer is over but my goal is to make these as durable as possible and within a short distance so I can become a better hider.

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Trekkin and Birdin
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Joined: 2007-02-08
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Obviously we haven't played seriously in a couple years, and in fact, when we've done the occasional cache rescue, rarely log for the points. But I thought one of the rules was that you had to be a previous finder on archived ones in order to claim the points? Guess I should take a closer look at the current rules.

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JimandLinda
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Joined: 2008-08-14
Posts: 5400
Location: Rosendale WI

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

You need to be a previous finder for "Verify Present" CR missions. Anyone can try to rescue any listed "Verify Removed" cache. A previous cache finder has better odds on finding it, but I have removed dead caches that aren't where we found them the first time!

I try to take pictures of all cache containers from a Rescue Mission. At least someone sees physical evidence of what was removed. And I agree that Team Deejay does a great job of letting us know about the WP #s on multicaches. That Zilmer Trail Rescue was a beast a few years ago!

Cache Rescue is a visual record of our efforts to keep geocaching a clean sport for everyone. Kudos to all the Rescuers! Very Happy
 
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sandlanders
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I figured that coords were provided for finals to puzzle caches, but I didn't know about the multis. We have only gone after a handful of cache rescues, and all three that we got points for had containers present. We went for another one that we did not find, but we are assuming that it is still there under the snow, so we did not submit for CR points.

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Team Deejay
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The reality is that much of the time the cache will have changed since the prior finder found it. I did one recently where a peanut butter jar was replaced by toothbrush travel carrier by some "good samaritan". When i spotted it, I thought it was just trash, but when I opened it, there was a log inside with maybe 4 finders.

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